📺视频-Experience V • Conceptual Seed of Devotion • Not What You Know but Who You Know
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本视频探讨了信仰、奉献和与精神导师的连接,强调真诚和内在的成长是获得灵性启蒙的关键。
亮点
- 🌱 上帝帮助那些自助者,反映了真诚和对神圣连接的渴望。
- 🧭 精神GPS至关重要;来自精神导师的指导有助于导航人生。
- 🎧 仅通过外部仪式或被动倾听无法获得真正的奉献。
- 🔄 真正的精神觉醒需要内在的转变,而不仅仅是心理上的调整。
- 🔥 自我牺牲的奉献带来精神成长和新的自我。
- 👫 与修行者的联系至关重要;在精神旅程中,重要的是你认识和服务于谁。
- 🌌 理解克里希纳意识需要从高级修行者那里获得见解。
关键见解
- ✨ 神圣连接:寻求神圣帮助的真诚是基础。它反映了我们内心对指导和与神的连接的渴望。这种真实的愿望是精神进步的第一步。
- 🗺️ 导师的角色:精神导师是指引弟子的灯塔。他们提供必要的见解,帮助在复杂的生命过程中保持对终极目标的专注。
- 🎶 超越仪式的奉献:精神觉醒不是通过单纯的仪式或被动的参与来实现的。真正的奉献必须源自真诚的内在愿望和对爱与服务的承诺。
- 🔄 转变重于调整:真正的精神成长需要自我的彻底转变,而不仅仅是对现有思想或行为的简单调整。这个过程涉及深刻的内在工作。
- 🌱 牺牲奉献:在精神实践中的自我奉献是成长的关键。这种牺牲的方式促进了与神圣目的相一致的新自我的出现。
- 🤝 社区与服务:与同修建立关系增强了精神成长。重要的不仅是知识,还有我们建立的联系,这些联系加深了我们对克里希纳意识的理解。
- 🌌 寻求更高智慧:要掌握克里希纳意识的本质,必须从高级修行者那里学习。他们的见解揭示了更深的真理,并促进对神圣的更深刻理解。
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上天助自助的人,你需要展现出一些诚意,表达你对神灵的渴望、你对帮助的需求、你想要庇护的心情,这些都很重要。自主权的转移。一个真诚的人,一个 spiritually progressive(灵性进步)的人,他们需要一种灵性的 GPS,形式多种多样。
我们所说的“猿学大师”就是指精神导师、灵性书籍和灵性修行者。你要和他们建立联系,接受他们的指导,然后他们所传达的真理就像一个磁北,让你能在这个世界和生活中找到方向。弟子需要和导师保持联系,才能更好地引导自己。
我认识一些信徒,他们觉得你只要戴上耳机,听听克里希那的名字或者《博伽梵歌》,然后就能醒悟。其实这不是单纯听音乐的问题。我们有克里希那意识的音乐,然后……
“贴壁纸和让自己身边有些外在的东西,并不能引发什么灵性觉醒。只有真心的信仰才能激发他人的信仰。没有什么公式,也没有什么方法。”
没有什么固定的程序能产生灵性实质。只有在尊师重道和克里希纳的恩赐下,才能获得信仰的种子。
“珠子”这个词在这里意思是种子。bhakti-lata的种子,就是种子。然后我们再看看字典,如果深入了解“种子”这个词,会看到一些描述,比如说是某种感觉、过程或状态的原因或潜在的开始。
那么我们是把它当作字面上的种子还是概念上的种子呢?当我们与克里希纳的使者接触时,我们能得到什么?《梵天宇宙论》说,我们在宇宙中游荡。我们可以说宇宙的广度和长度,十四个行星系统。但是,我们可以想,哦,你是说我们在天空中看到的那些星星吗?
“这就是宇宙的一个客观方面。但是宇宙到底是什么呢?这是一个充满误解的世界。所以经历了各种层次的误解,游走在这个被误解的世界里,”
在《博伽梵歌》中,克里希纳说,什么是这棵树?它是倒着的。倒着的树在哪儿?在反射里。如果你看看反射,这里有棵树,而反射就是倒着的树。他在说,这个世界,它的根在上面,枝叶在下面。
所以这个误解的世界,在这个误解的世界里游荡,brahmānda-brahmite的幸运灵魂,bhāgyavān jīva,jīvas。它们是什么呢?通过guru-kṛṣṇa的恩赐,得到bhakti-latabhīj,这在恩赐中提到过。
在克里希那的慈悲下,你跟他的使者建立了联系。通过他的使者的慈悲,你和克里希那的关系也变得更深。古鲁马哈拉杰不认同克里希那意识只是改造思维的看法。他说,bhūmi-rūpa-analo vayukā-manu-bhūdhi-reva-cā。这些都是世俗的元素,都是世俗的。心智是世俗的。
“这不是说,嗯,但如果你想想——他不是这个意思。他是说需要被消解,然后灵性思维才能显现。但是这种后天的思维、后天的智慧等等,都是后天的偏见和倾向。”
在他著名的演讲中,古鲁德夫提到的那个虚假的自我,叫什么来着?要拆除虚假自我的支柱,而不是以新的方式重组或改造,而是要彻底拆掉,才能让真正的灵性表达得以实现。我们要创造一些新的东西,而不是改造旧的。
所以,黑格尔的原则是“死去才能活”。它并不是说,你现在的生活方式没问题,只需要稍微调整一下就行了。这不是“死去才能活”。在祭祀的概念中,你把什么东西放进祭火里,它就能得到更高的地位。大 Guru Mahārāj 说什么?你在祭火中真正应该献上的是什么?就是你自己。
新的自我将会出现。这是为了活着而死。与那个以“杀戮求生”的世界相对。适者生存。生命的法则就是一个生命体通过杀死另一个生命体来生存。
这就是这个世界。灵性世界里,你通过服务和奉献来生活,通过在自我牺牲的火焰中奉献自己。然后,一个新的自我就会诞生,以这种方式去奉献,往上走,更高,更接近现实。你拥有的美好自我的现实,那也是存在的。成为现实的一部分,美好,你拥有一个美好的自我。
这是通过爱、奉献和投入来表达的。在受戒时,要把自己完全奉献给上师。我们可以理解,真正的受戒是一个人向上师奉献自己的时刻。所以我们可以明白,这是一种终身的追求。我们不会说,哦,是的,我很多年前就做过了。
我们真希望多年前就做到了这一点。我们希望我们能做到。我们正在努力做到。有时候人们会问,能跟我们讲讲你是怎么接触到克里希纳意识的吗?我说,这还没发生呢。就像是在进行中一样。所以我在努力接触克里希纳意识,努力朝着那个方向前进。
古鲁大爷会说,有时候我们就像小孩子一样,太过于担心自己的缺点、错误和失误了。有人想说什么吗?
我们一直在想着,怎么才能有所进步?但是古鲁马哈拉吉提到,当小孩学走路的时候,一开始几乎是一直跌倒。就像,哦,哦,哦。然后有一天他们竟然能走几步而不摔倒,真是让人惊讶。
所以还有这样一面,我看到有些高阶的Vaishnavas,他们有时对我们身上任何一点克里希纳意识感到惊讶。
哦,师父马哈拉杰的意思是,就像那个孩子在一系列错误中学会走路一样,有时候我们也可以说,一个初学者奉献者通过一系列的失误……
他们学会走路。但为什么总是这样呢?因为有亲切的守护者在指导,就像父母说的,来,走到我这儿来,来,来,试试,试试看,来找我。他们伸出手来,孩子们不可避免地开始走路和跑步。古鲁德夫喜欢引用那句斯洛卡,想知道这个概念能延伸多远?到你闭着眼睛跑的地步,毫无畏惧地跌倒。
他非常喜欢那句咒语,喜欢那种信仰,跳入无限的信念之跃,那个 infamous 或者 famous 的信仰飞跃。信仰、忠诚和处于信仰的境界,这就是 jñāna-timarandhasya,获得正确的视角和一种新的看待事物的方式。这是一种超越客观现实的视野。
如果我们客观地分析事情,在很多情况下,我们都能发现一些不好的、害人的或者威胁性的东西。但古鲁马哈拉杰总是告诉我们,tattenu kaṁ paṁ susa-mikṣamāno bhūnjāna evātma kṛtam vipākam。
苏萨米克沙。不过如果你更仔细地看,从更深层次去理解,超越那些表面的客观标准,你会看到背后有克里希纳友好的手。深思熟虑后,你就会明白这一切。这太美妙了。克里希纳,他能让每个人都跟随,根本不需要请求许可。
那位至高无上的克里希纳,真理和最终现实,说的是,想想我说的话,仔细考虑一下,然后决定你想做什么。他并不干扰每个生命体的小小独立性。他在说,这就是我给你的观点,仔细考虑,充分思考一下。
然后就去做你想做的事。阿尔朱那说,我现在准备好遵循你的神圣指示了。无论是直接还是间接,每个人都是如此。
寻找克里希纳,处理克里希纳,只有克里希纳,别无其他。无二智慧,只有一件事需要知道,那就是克里希纳,无论是直接还是间接。所以,必然每个人都会围绕过来。但是,当你在管辖范围内时,
时间、空间、测量。这就像是永恒。所以,只有当一个人精疲力竭时,才会开始感到困扰,而通过某种神圣的力量,他们的内在潜能会觉醒。
然后他们开始感到与克里希纳有些距离。但是我们会想,感谢克里希纳,他把他的信徒派来了我这里。就像在阿亚曼那、杜尔马提、轮回之中,他派他的信徒来拯救我。然后信徒会告诉你什么呢?哦,马哈普拉布和尼提扬南达降临这个世界是为了拯救像你这样的堕落灵魂。
带我们回家,回到神的身边。不然的话,如果你想着用你的思想和智慧去理解事情,你会被欺骗。所以,san-mukhārita,听听《大宝藏经》。这才是与现实建立联系的开始。因为我们应该说,脚注里提到,旁边的。
《摩诃普拉那》中的最高级别的信徒,他们看一切都很完美,没什么需要调整的。他们不会看到任何误解。他们说,哦,这个很高。没错,这确实是最高的。克里希纳意识就是最高的东西。
“有些最崇高的事情我们不会详细探讨,但我们希望了解什么是最崇高,什么是最全面的。”
对神性的理解。这会帮助我们理解一些部分,虽然只是部分理解。这些东西在主题上都是相互关联的。我们不应该想,“哦,奥义书说了一种观点,然後有了《普拉那》,说的是另一种,然后还有一本说这个,还有一本说那个。”如果你这么想的话,
这意味着你不理解克里希纳概念的统一场理论、教义和马哈普拉布以及古鲁的教导。这一切都是相互关联的。我们应该始终对了解理想感兴趣,因为理想与克里希纳是同义的。在某个地方,古鲁说,克里希纳就是教义。
这不是说关于克里希纳没有教义。其实是有的。但在其他地方他说,他就是教义。他与教义是无差别的。那么让我们听听大圣者们的教导。让我们听听伟大的奉献者们的看法。让我们听听那些伟人的声音,跟随他们的影响。
我们需要向更高层次的伟大虔诚信徒求指导,像师父那样,他能深刻理解经典的内涵,让我们明白在某种情况下不利的事情在另一种情况下可能是有利的。
所以一个士兵,他是从一个特定的角度来看事情的。而将军,他是从另一个角度来看事情的。所以士兵有必要朝着将军的方向去努力。他的视角跟将军不一样。就像我想到一个将军,嗯,
他在告诉他的士兵们,他说,人们认为,士兵们觉得你应该为你的国家献出生命。但他说,实际上我们的目标是让对方为他们的国家献出生命。明白了吗?这就是将军的观点。士兵说,我应该为我的国家献出生命。他说,不,不,不,要让他们为他们的国家献出生命。
这就是你应该考虑的。所以,士兵会在将军的指导下工作。就是这个道理。他有自己的见解,这在一定程度上是有帮助的,但他应该在更高的指导下进行。他不应该掉以轻心。
视角,Kaniṣṭha Bhāgavat,或者不应该忽视Mahābhāgavat的视角。
不切实际,也不符合他的情况。相反,我们被告知,要了解大圣人的教导。正如萨拉斯瓦蒂·塔库尔所说,宗教意味着在他们的视角影响下做出适当的调整,适应你的处境和环境。众生是微小的意识,所以本质上,
他们拥有一切与“shikshakti”相关的东西,像“hladini-shakti”,但是它们是微观的。所以由于它们的微观特性,容易受到“maya”的影响。但在“asvaya-vigraha”(庇护和交往)中,一个合适的代理人,“jiva-zenayat”,对爱克里希纳的潜力被唤醒,充分发展并显现出来。“Jive svarupayi krishnarini tadah”。
我们是克里希纳的永恒仆人。这是我们真正的永恒位置。只有在忘却这一点的时候,我们才会误用这种潜力,表现为对物质的欲望和对精神世界的扭曲反映。
好消息是我们是克里希纳的永恒仆人。并不是你成为了这个角色。这是玛哈普拉布所描述的灵魂的永恒位置。只是我们忘记了自己的真实位置。所以我们应该抱有希望,靠着师父和维什努教徒的恩典,信仰会带来信仰,这一切都是可以实现的。
醒悟、滋养、成长,和高人交往、服务优秀的伟湿那(Vaiṣṇava)。古鲁马哈拉杰又以自己为例。他说,最开始我以为是让我们向伟湿那古鲁投降。
他说,有一天我内心对与克里希纳直接联系的渴望会得到满足。他说不,但我渐渐意识到,维希纳瓦就是一切。所以,你只有通过维希纳瓦才能与克里希纳建立有意义的联系,而维希纳瓦又是尼提亚南达普鲁或拉达拉尼的代表。斯里普 达莫达拉。
说 bhāgavata-parodhya bhāgavata-sthāne。如果你想理解 bhāgavata、bhāgavata 哲学,或者 bhāgavata 这本书,你得向 bhāgavata 这个人学习。实际上,如果他们是 maha-bhāgavata,你应该把自己奉献给他们,去服务他们。这就是识别 maha-bhāgavata 的反应,因为你会感到有必要去服务他们。这是唯一自然的反应。
就像和克里希纳建立了深厚的联系。你会不由自主地想要奉献自己,而不是试图利用克里希纳或克里希纳意识的表面来娱乐自己或谋取利益。
要让自己被克里希纳意识的音乐和壁纸包围。我在烧我从Premji那里得到的好东西。我在Loy Bazaar买了一些很棒的香。这就是感觉。也正因为如此我才嘲笑它。就是这样。一样的。
那里什么都没有。这就是空气颂歌。就像那些玩空气吉他的,他们不是实际的吉他手。你好?这就是空气吉他。所以这就是空气颂歌。里面什么都没有。他们在黑暗中跳舞,愚昧的黑暗。
关于Sambandhagyāna。那么大菩萨说了什么呢?jīve svarūpāi kṛṣṇa-nitya-dāsa。jīva的永恒本质是Krishna-dāsa,意味着一个充满爱的仆人。所以,正如普拉布帕德所说,如果你读一下他《博伽梵歌》的最后一页,最后的注释,最后的诗句,最后的句子。
他说,我稍微转述一下,他的意思是,现在你已经达到了克里希纳意识,灵魂就能获得她在享乐能量中的位置,这意味着概述、愉悦能量、真实自性、愉悦能量等等。所以灵魂是意识能量的微小粒子。
他们永远在完整的“ chit-śakti”团体的庇护下,像南达、耶输达、苏巴尔、希尔达姆、拉莉塔、维沙卡等人。克里希纳说,我真正的信徒是那些我信徒的信徒。但这里的“信徒”是个笼统的说法。我们可以这么说。
如果我们具体说的话,可以说克里希纳在说,我真正的信徒,那些虔诚于希玛提·拉达哈尼神圣莲足的人,他们才是我真正的信徒。
我们可以说,归顺于克里希纳和克里希纳意识,借着师父们的恩典,我们开始理解拉达拉尼和信徒们的伟大。然后通过向他们投降,拉达达西姆,我们可以更深入地理解克里希纳的真谛。它们是相辅相成的。
在灵性圈子里,重要的不是你知道什么,而是你认识谁和你为谁服务。感谢主。
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god helps those that help themselves something from your side indicating your sincerity your desire for a connection with divinity your desire for some help some shelter all of these things the transfer of autonomy a sincere person a spiritually progressive person they need spiritual gps which comes in the form what we call sadhu sastra guru vaisnava means spiritual teachers the spiritual books spiritual practitioners you come in connection with them put yourself on under their guidance and then that revealed truth expressed by them becomeslike a uh you know a magnetic north by which you can navigate the world in existence the disciple needs to be in connection with guru to properly navigate so i knew some devotees they thought you know you'll put on headphones and like say listen to krishna nam or the bhagavatam or and then you know wake up and enlightened it's not a question of like having music right we have krishna conscious music and then wallpaper and just surrounding yourself with external paraphernalia that that will induce some sort of spiritual awakeningonly devotion can ignite devotion in another there's no formula no method no step and repeat procedure that will generate spiritual substance the word beads is there meaning seed bhakti-la the seed of the bhakti-latta seed and then we'll see even in the dictionary if we look on deeper levels of what the word seed is it will say things like the cause or latent beginning of a feeling process or condition so shall we take it as a literal con a literal seedor conceptual seed what do we get when we come in connection with krishna's agent brahmanda brahmite says we're wandering the universe we can say the length and breath of the universe 14 planetary systems but uh so we think oh you mean those stars that we see in the sky that's an objective aspect of the universe but what really is the universe it is a world of misconception right so having gone through all different uh levels of misconception of wandering the misconceived world right and bhagavad-gita krsna's saying what isthis tree it's upside down where's the upside down tree and reflection on the river if you look at the reflection here's the tree and the reflection is the tree upside down you sing this world it has its roots upwards it branches downward so the misconceived world wandering the length and breath of the misconceived world brahmanda brahmite kona bhagiwanjiv fortunate souls bhagyavan jiv jivas what are they guru krishna prasaday pai bhakti latabij by the mentioned mercy of krishna you come in connection withhis agent and by the mercy of his agent you come in deeper connection with krishna guru maharaj he doesn't buy into the notion that krishna consciousness is refurbished mind he says boom arapana manu buddhir mundane elements it's mundane the mind is mundane it's not like well but if you think about crit that's not what he's saying he's saying it needs to be dissolved and then the spiritual mind can manifest but this acquired mind acquired intelligence mind etc they're the acquired prejudices acquiredtendencies the false ego that gurudev in his famous talk called what was that demolishing the pillars of false ego has to be demolished not reconfigured or reworked in a new way demolished to allow for genuine spiritual expression got to grow something new not reconfigure the old therefore the hegelian principle die to live it doesn't say no just the way you are living just you know modify that a little bit you'll be okay that's not die to live the idea in yagya we you throw offers something in the sacrificial fire and it achieves ahigher position what does guru maharaj say what are you really supposed to offer into the sacrificial fire yourself so the new self will come out that's died to live said as opposed to the world that's ruled by kill to live survival of the fittest jivo jiva jivanam one living entity lives by killing another one that's this world spiritual world you live through service through dedication by offering oneself in the fire of self-sacrifice then a new self comes out offer that one in this way go up highernearer closer to reality the reality of the beautiful self that you possess that's also there being a part of reality the beautiful you possess a beautiful self is expressed through love devotion dedication dikshikali bhaktikori atma samarpan we're told diksha proper is that time when one offers oneself to guru so we can understand that's kind of a lifelong pursuit we don't say oh yes i did that so many years ago we wish we did that so many years ago we hope we did that we're trying to do thatsometimes people say like tell us the story of how you came to krishna consciousness i said it didn't happen yet it's like in process so i'm trying to come to krishna consciousness trying to move toward that plane guru maharaj will say you know like a child sometimes we get overly concerned with our flaws and mistakes and missteps you want to say and we're focused on that and thinking how shall i ever make progress but guru maharaj mentioned when a child is learning to walk the beginning is almostincessant fall down just like you know and then it's astonishing one day when they take a few steps and don't fall down right so there's that side too where i've seen sometimes the higher vaisnavas they're sometimes astonished to see any semblance of krishna consciousness within us you know so um oh so guru maharaj saying so just as that child through a series of missteps learns to walk so sometimes we could say a neophyte devotee through a series of missteps they learn to walk but why always because you have theaffectionate the guidance of the affectionate guardian just like the parents saying come walk to me come come try try you try and come to me and they're reaching out for them and inevitably they start walking and running and gurudev liked to quote that sloka like to what how far can this concept go to the point of where you're running with your eyes shut without fear of falling he liked that sloka very much like that type of faith runny you know the leap of faith the infamous or the famous leap of faithinto the infinite faith and faithfulness and being in the faithful plane that's acquiring the proper angle of vision and a new way of seeing things and it's seeing beyond objective reality if we analyze things objectively in many or most instances will be able to detect something that is undesirable or harmful or threatening or whatever it might be but guru maharaj is always telling us but if you look with greater scrutiny on a deeper level beyond the superficial aspects of the objective criteria you'll see in the background thefriendly hand of krishna the murshid shayshayna yates jasi this is very beautiful krishna who could compel everyone to follow doesn't have to ask permission that krishna the supreme absolute true the ultimate reality says think about what i've said consider it carefully and then decide to do what you wish to do does not interfere with the minute independence of a human being saying here's my case that i make to you consider it carefully deliberate on it fully and then do what you wish to do and arjun said karishay what's in um i'mnow prepared to follow your divine instructions directly or indirectly everybody's searching for krishna dealing with krishna there is only krsna there's nothing other than krishna advayagan there's only one thing to be known and that is krishna either directly or indirectly so inevitably everyone will come around but when you're in the jurisdiction of time space measurement a nadi bahir mooc it's like forever so it only starts to bother somebody when they're materially exhausted and through divine agencysome some awakening of their innate potential and then they feel start feeling some separation from krishna but we'll think by the grace of krishna he sent his devotee to me like in a manna durmati sangsarabitori he's sent his devotee to save me and then what does the devotee tell you oh mahaprabhu and nityananda descended in this world to save fallen souls like you and take us back to home back to godhead otherwise if you're saying you're going to use your your mind your intelligence you're in to try and understand thingsyou'll be deceived so son mukarita hear from the maha bhagavata that's the beginning of a connection with reality because we should say that says a footnote sidebar the mahabhagavata the highest level devotee they see everything perfectly adjusted nothing needs to be adjusted they don't see any misconception oh it's very high yes it's the highest thing actually krishna consciousness is the highest thing there are very intimate aspects of the highest thing that we uh do not go into detail about but we want to understandwhat is the highest what is the most comprehensive conception of divinity then that will help us understand parts partial understanding all of these things are connected thematically we shouldn't think oh the upanishads they say one thing and then there's quran as they say another and then there's another one that says this and there's another book that says that if you think like that it means you don't understand the unified field theory of krishna conception and godia darshan and mahaprabhu andguru maharaj it's all connected we should always be interested in and knowing the ideal because the ideal is synonymous with krishna in one place guru maharaj says krishna is siddhanta it is not that there is siddhanta about krishna yes there is but in other place he's saying he is sadanta he's none different than that then let us hear from the paramahamsas let us hear from the maha bhagavatas let us hear from the mahajanas and move under the influence of their way of seeing we need to uh get guidance from the superior vaisnavaguru achi notim who can extract the inner meaning of the scripture so that we'll understand the same thing that is unfavorable in one circumstance is favorable in another so a soldier he sees things from a particular angle of vision and the general he sees things from another angle of vision so this it's in the interest of the soldier to work under the direction of the general he doesn't have the same way of seeing that a general does like one general comes to mind i think where he was telling his soldiers he saidpeople think soldiers think that you're supposed to give your life for your country he said but actually our goal is to make the other side give their lives for their country you understand that was the general's point of view the soldier i should give my life for my country saying no no no make them give their life for their country that's what you should be thinking so the soldier will work under the guidance of the general that's that's the way he has his own things he's seeing and that's helpful up to a point but heshould proceed under higher guidance he shouldn't dismiss the angle of vision the the canister bhagwat or mother should not dismiss the angle of vision of the uh maha bhagwat as being not practical or pragmatic or appropriate to his circumstance rather we're told mahajan o yanagata sapanta become acquainted with the statements of the mahajanas then as saraswati tagore says religion means proper adjustment under the influence of their way of seeing make an adjustment in your situation and circumstance jivas are atomic chitso inherently they have everything that shakti proper has not any shakti but that's atomic so on account of their atomic magnitude it can be overwhelmed by maya but in australia big shelter and association a proper agent jiva zenai potential to love krishna is awakened fully developed and manifested jive swarupai we're eternal servants of krishna that's our actual eternal position it's only in what ashrae forgetfulness of that that we've misdirected that potential it's deferredly manifested as a lust for matterand the perverted reflection of the spiritual world the good news is we are eternal servitures of krishna not you become one that is the eternal position of jiva as described by mahaprabhu only we are forgetful of our actual position so we should be hopeful that by the grace of guru and vaisnava bhaktya sanjaya that this can be awakened nourished development developed sado-sanga-satovare by superior by associating and serving the superior vaishnavas guru maharaja again gives himself as an example he said i thought in thebeginning they were being told surrender the vaishnava guru he said but someday my heart center hankering for a direct connect connection with krishna will be satisfied he said no but i came to realize in time the vaisnava is everything so you only get a meaningful connection with krishna through the vaisnava who is by extension either representative of nitin under peru or radharani's delegation all right swift r says bhagavata parody of bhagavatastane if you want to understand bhagwat bhagavad philosophy you have tothe book by the way you have to learn from the person bhagawat and in fact if they are a maha bhagavata you're supposed to offer yourself to them in service that's the response to identifying uh a maha-bhagavata as you feel compelled to offer yourself to them in service that's the only natural response it's just like coming and substantial connection with krishna you're irresistibly drawn to offer yourself not to try and consume or use some superficial aspect of krishna or krishna consciousnessfor your amusement or to your advantage to surround yourself with krishna conscious music krishna conscious wallpaper i'm burning the good stuff i got from premg and i got this you know lloyd bazar some primo stick that's what it's like that's why i mock it it's like that it's the same thing there's nothing there it's on like the people play air guitar they're not real guitar players hello it's error guitar so this is on there's nothing there right they're dancing in the darkthe darkness of the ignorance of some band again so what does mahabharata say they swarupai krishna the eternal swoop of the jiva is krsnadas means a loving servitor so as prabhupada if you read the last page of his bhagavad-gita as it is purport the last sloka the last purport the last sentence he says and i'm paraphrasing but he said thus saying now that you've achieved krishna consciousness the jiva achieves her position in the pleasure giving potency which means overhaul uh uh overview shakti etc so jeevas are atomic particles ofchit-shakti and they're forever under the shelter of full-fledged chit-shakti group asraya vigrahas like nanda jasoda others no less than krsna he is saying my real devotees are those who are devotees of my devotees but again devotees here is a general word we could say that if we specify we can say the krsna's saying my real devotees those who are devoted to the holy lotus feet of srimati radharani they are my real devotees we could say we could make the case that by our surrender to krishna and krishna consciousness grassley in time by thegrace of the guru varga we came to understand the greatness of radharani and the devotees that position then by surrender to them we can understand more substantially krsna-tatwa they work hand in hand and the spiritual circles it's not what you know it's who you know and who you serve thank the lord