reject it all right and accept what the story presents the possibility of a particular prospect so it means there's a world where someone's awake in that world uh and everything is understandable perceivable to them and it's like madness to ordinary people but is it madness or is it something substantial really your first connection substantially with reality is hearing from an agent a divine agent once after being asked so many questions srila guru maharaj turned to the group of devotees and can i ask you a questionare you sure and he said what is krishna consciousness and one person said ah it's what prabhupad taught us that was a good answer [Laughter] and then someone else said uh bhakti and guru maharaj said did he say anything about krishna little teasing and then guru maharaj just stopped the whole thing he said it is reality it's not that uh you can describe is esoteric eastern religion eastern philosophy hinduism all these names but guru maharaj said it is reality that's what krishna consciousness says it's realityand he said and it's in your interest to become acquainted with that reality veda vias is mine i'm depressed no i'm saying i'll tell you why dharma pong song vishvak not party aid yadi ritim srama eva kevalam it says whatever you're doing that's dharmasya swanste whatever you're doing if notepaddy return if the end result is not some increased attraction for hearing about krishna vasudeva you know some taste for hearing chanting remembering about krishna says then you're wasting your timeright so this is the measure there should be some hunger for these things there are general descriptions of coming in connection with krishna consciousness and then there are the specifics of that connection quality gives us relief from mathematics in the beginning of the srimad-bhagavatam the fifth chapter of the first canto narada comes to the ashram of veda vias we're told is in a despondent mood the great veda vias krishna dwight hayan veda the vedas compiled puranas did so many things mahabharata including bhagavad-gita buthe's feeling despondent and narada addresses that despondency and where he instructs him these 10 slokas are taken to be the seeds of krishna conception as expressed in srimad-bhagavatam it's the srimad-bhagavatam intense locals interestingly i found it interesting that after one two three slokas he's dealing with this very issue chaktwa swa dharmam charanam bhujam harir bhajan those have been india when you want to get ripe fruit you say you know give me ripe ones is it pakka is it like of the good quality is itripe it says what happens someone in this world they give up their swadharma their appearance for dharmas for dharma nidhanam sreya puru dharm and they try to move in the direction of krishna conception reality move out of the world of misconception into the world of proper conception they their heart leaps up and they want to run in that direction and he says but what happens if bhajan apakva doesn't reach the mature stage the fruit bearing mature stage what happens to that person so it's first of all it's noteworthy that narada isaddressing this from the very beginning it's not arbitrary it must be there because it's forming the um the the basis by which he's going to tell the ass why you're feeling the way you are because you're telling people again inadvertently it's not your intention but through the general practice of religion regulating your life according to what's generally understood as religion people will make very little progress and they'll remain bound within the mundane world and when you ask them why they're doing thisthey're going to say because vade of the ass told me to you you will be the blame they'll allah say veda are you a greater authorities in veda vias so veda yes you have to correct this and what i'm telling you now is rather than follow your slow step by step gradual you know it'll take forever to get out of the material world and most people won't they're going to be resurface creation after creation after creation it would be better if they just go for it and run to krishna conception as soon asthe heart leaps up and responds to that even if they don't make it in that period that brief period where they tried they'll gain more in that period than they will millions of years and lifetimes of doing of following religion that's why christians said sarva dharma jamal may come saraswati saying jump take the risk what they call a leap of faith a leap into the unknown krishna will protect me will catch me will save me maintain me take the risk no risk no gain he said so saraswati tacklers call is arevolutionary one give up everything and you say well so many people have done that and then they went back yeah and in that brief time whether it was a year or five years 10 years whatever it was they gained more in that brief time than they will in lifetimes hundreds of lifetimes of other types of culture and pursuit he's saying so now you've got to tell people run to krishna you won't get this what we're aspiring after after 10 million lifetimes of just doing the right thing monotonously that's amazing10 million lifetimes of doing the right thing won't give you this sometimes we're told lolium is a bad thing it means desire like the way desire can be so intense that sort of hunger that lolium that hydrogen that heart disease that mundane attachment to persons places things of this world that will be an obstruction on the path of progressive devotion now suddenly there's some other type of lolium that's the real thing and if you've got that that's your ticket that's the purchase price of krishnaconsciousness it's guru maharaj earnest sincere hankering not curiosity she's not confused being curious about something with genuine hankering for a connection with it substantially and that indicates spiritual health so then it means oh ultimately desire hankering attachment all these things they're not bad it's toward whom and where is that located deep in the heart's core guru maharaj supported the idea your lifelong culture when we say bhav that word is best translated as heart the sort of heart that you'veevolved and developed over time will provide the basis for your next life if the seed the quality of seed is very high deep profound connection with reality then even if circumstantially it enters a suppressed position or to the extent of by what is normally observable it cannot be seen it's no longer visible still it may reassert itself in time srila prabhupad likes so much this series of verses srinivatam swakata krishna punya sravana kirtana ridhyan tastya bhadrani virunoti saritsatam the eternal service of the bhagavatam ishearing it like we do right hearing shravanam you know if we do this for the pleasure of krishna atma samarpanam then it's bhagavat seva and it's told there that by continually hearing the bhagavatam faithfully that gradually the abujas the unwanted things you know acquired prejudice acquired tendency layers covering the heart they gradually start to vanish and what's described here is a tipping point it's saying means that it's not complete not a hundred percent so we know when some things when theycross a certain point then the rest happens very uh easily right when a cross that's what it's called the tipping point reaches a certain point then the rest goes and rapidly that's what's being described about the bible at a particular point of devotional impact you can say it reaches a temp a tipping point and that devotee easily and fully embraces krishna conception krishna bhakti nithya said the sadhyo kabu noi sravanadi koroye udoi so these activities hearing particularly hearing from an agent of realityawakens krsna-bhakti in the heart means it's there in a sense in a dormant position awakened by superior association you can't remain in the neutral position guru maharaj said that also like when he said he gave these a bicycle right or we can say riding a scooter here or whatever you can't just stay like you have to keep going forward if you stop going forward it tips over you can't just stay in that neutral position balancing right so he said there's the necessity to always make forward progress to stayupright where will you get the what's required this lolium this hankering ashakti otherwise described rupa goswami sradha faith will lead you to devotees sadhu sangha you'll associate with them in their association saru sango satovare you'll improve your hankering will improve it will shift param drishvanivarta you can start hankering for real substantial things we may be relatively satisfied with uh some brush with krishna consciousness or cursory acquaintance with krishna consciousness and and we may think rightfully so ohthis is wonderful this exceeds uh all my past experience with other things it's you know infinitely better than that that's true but as guru maharaj said it's something dynamic then even in such a position coming in connection with a higher agent somebody who has superior hunger who's who's able to extract greater quality and greater quantity of this tasteful substance that takes us to a new level of hankering in the presence of a superior experience automatically inferior experience retreatsthat's the way that's the best a higher taste lower taste vanishes again and it's ordinary sense knowledge vegan prophet sometimes rendered as realized knowledge or more specific knowledge going towards the divine but prakrishtagyan pragyan means of the highest quality as usual anything guru maharaj will say he wants to give the superlative so what would be the highest type of gan like gyanetti pena bashvata where krishna is revealing himself in a very specific way to a very specific group that's always guru maharaj'smethod of observation and this is another good example because it's all he likes things that are sequential in the sense of not linear but higher deeper more profound more substantial in that way that's the principle die to live if you want to go to a higher position you'll have to die as you are at present then that painful condition will finish you'll find yourself in another plane but guru maharaj continues to say and the more you die the more you live die to live isn't like a one-off thingyou know a one-time proposition you're like oh yeah i did that once or i did that long ago say no die to live is a dynamic principle and the more you die the more you live gorman says give heart and receive heart that's the most wonderful thing about krishna consciousness not anticipating something else give heart receive heart go deeper go deeper how does guru maharaj render go deeper dive deep into reality you